Comments on 3+ Save: Immolator Spam

The armylist is great and with inducted guard it g...

2010-02-12T23:23:44.829-07:00

The armylist is great and with inducted guard it gives the ability for the immolators to get to their target while keeping the other guy's head down. The army is great against guard.

Frank: The Black Templar get it too. Purgatus: ...

2009-11-08T20:30:16.808-07:00

Frank: The Black Templar get it too.

Purgatus: Because Google's comment system is free, thus it sucks mightily.

John: Are you going to 'improve' it with Guard for 2k, or no?

Those're all mine. It's hard to tell from ...

2009-11-08T14:21:40.409-07:00

Those're all mine. It's hard to tell from this pic, but the two red/black ones just to the outside of the black ones are Rhinos, not Immos.

I painted them differently by FO slot.
The Black ones are HQ and Elite (carry Celestians)
Red with more Black are Rhinos carrying Battle Sisters
Mostly Red are Fast Attack and carry Dominions
Grey are Hvy Support Immos

The WH don't have 3rd Ed smokes, only DH get t...

2009-11-08T13:08:47.455-07:00

The WH don't have 3rd Ed smokes, only DH get that.

It's still a nasty army though, Bolter-Bitch hatred in every BAWKS. Question, though; 12 Immos in that picture. Who do the grey ones belong to?

This is Purgatus, btw. Not sure why your commente...

2009-11-08T02:42:47.621-07:00

This is Purgatus, btw.

Not sure why your commenter won't let me put in my "handle." Hmmm...

Yes! The drama has gone viral! Love the new blog ...

2009-11-08T02:41:41.131-07:00

Yes! The drama has gone viral!

Love the new blog John, looking forward to reading more.

http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2009/11/sisters-of...

2009-11-07T23:45:51.944-07:00

http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2009/11/sisters-of-battle-homage.html

I think that covers all the bases.

Note, you can say whatever you like about me, but don't put words in my mouth I clearly did not say.

Thanks!

PS Hate the pansy yellow color scheme. Looks like my cats ass. :p

Oh, feel free to start crap here Chumbalaya. While...

2009-11-07T19:34:14.627-07:00

Oh, feel free to start crap here Chumbalaya. While I can and will remove completely inflammatory comments, I am a firm believer in heated and thorough discussion.

Well, whether it was discussed or not, it wasn'...

2009-11-07T19:32:55.941-07:00

Well, whether it was discussed or not, it wasn't public knowledge.

I'm not saying I was the absolute first to think "I wonder how many Immolators I can fit in an army," but this was my implementation, and I forwarded it even at the end of 4th Ed (although the army wasn't together until 5th hit).

I have no qualms whatsoever calling this my brainchild.

I thought better of my earlier post, I don't w...

2009-11-07T18:17:46.318-07:00

I thought better of my earlier post, I don't want to incite anything in your personal space john.

That list makes me wince every time I see it. IG, DE, Tau and SM have the range to hurt it from turn 1, but with all those vehicles, old smokes, and the speed you can move and still maintain effectiveness they need to cripple you in one or two turns or they get BBQ'd.

@Stelek: So your inaugural comment on your friend&...

2009-11-07T17:31:31.596-07:00

@Stelek: So your inaugural comment on your friend's new blog is to take credit for an army he's well known for playing?

You're a class act, my friend. Class act.

Cough. Your brainchild? lol Discussed as a army...

2009-11-07T14:45:58.406-07:00

Cough. Your brainchild? lol

Discussed as a army back in 2003 during playtesting. Not deemed viable back then due to vehicle damage charts. Same thing with Penitent Engine based armies. I don't think much was missed, although no substantive complaints reached Andy so no changes were made. AV11 back then was pretty horrible.

What about kill points Vs guard? If they deploy ha...

2009-11-07T07:41:12.684-07:00

What about kill points Vs guard? If they deploy half of their forces in each corner of their deploymend zone.
How would you deploy in that kind of situation? If you divide your army in two it seems that he could concentrate his fire to stop one of your halfs, and then try to stop your second half before it evens up the score.

I see this army working great in the other two missions, because the other guy cant just stand back and shoot, but I don´t understand how that works in kill points.

Another expample, If you play orks in kill points. If he deploys three loota squads 1" from his edge and gets first turn. You need three turns to get there with the inmo´s flamers, and that would probably mean 9 less vehicles for you. I know that you have great sucess Vs orks, so please explain to me how :)

Looks nasty. What do you think about working in i...

2009-11-07T02:55:31.733-07:00

Looks nasty.

What do you think about working in immolaters in as allies to guard, space marine and space wolf lists?

I have only been well and truly beaten by a new Sp...

2009-11-06T21:17:08.745-07:00

I have only been well and truly beaten by a new Space Marine list - sumthin like 3 Dreads, 5 MM/Flamer Tac Squads in Rhinos, 2 MM/HF Speeders and 3 Tri-las Preds. He sat back and shredded my incoming tanks. That said, he Pen'd every shot, and on every Pen he rolled a Wrecked or Exploded result... a lot.
But by the same token, while this list took me down, it would be outranged and outshot by a good Guard list - so I'm not certain of it's "allcomers" status.

As to Guard, they can shoot more than SM can, but once I get there... they're just Guard. Granted, I have played several IG armies in tournaments around here (including Vendetta heavy lists), but they've either been run poorly (one guy started off the table since I had first turn - allowing me two turns of crossing the table without being shot) or weren't that great of a list.

The short answer to a very long-winded reply, JWolf, is that I would have to induct Guard to really have a chance against a pure shooting list that could stand up to my foot troops once they were blown out of their vehicles.

Have you played the list a lot against the current...

2009-11-06T20:50:11.972-07:00

Have you played the list a lot against the current Guard and SM books? I'm interested in your experiences there, as both armies can easily have adequate firepower + rhino/chimera walling to really diminish the value of the WH vehicle spam, in no small part due to the difference in vehicle costs. Also Valkyrie Chassis are fairly unpleasant for the build.
I also wonder about a Manticore shooting into that kind of target; can't really spread out too much and prevent defeat in detail against an IG force with this sort of list, I would think.
Looking forward to reading more of your thoughts. I'm in the process (still) of determining the balance points for WH/DH/IG force composition for theoretical and practical optimals; they haven't shown to be very close yet for me, so clearly I have more work to do.