Comments on 3+ Save: The Next Big Thing

Yeah, drop the Dreds for more troops. You have eno...

2010-08-25T12:19:37.199-06:00

Yeah, drop the Dreds for more troops. You have enough firepower without them.

Im not a fan really. Id almost venture to drop th...

2010-08-24T20:51:28.281-06:00

Im not a fan really. Id almost venture to drop the Asst Can upgrades and grab a fifth 5man in a hvybolter razor.

Well, I played essentially this list against John&...

2010-08-24T10:38:16.877-06:00

Well, I played essentially this list against John's Eldar.

To say it was very unfun for me would be an understatement.

If it can't beat mech Eldar, then yes, it will be 'fun' for someone...

The fun you find in 40k is not up to your opponent (I think John's Immolator list would have been even less "fun" lol), I couldn't have fun because of me being unable to make the army work. It had been fun before, but against a very inferior list. Run into any real opposition, and the list folds in half. John is always fun to play, and it was very amusing blowing my own army up and failing to dent his.

Well, ramble ramble. ;)

I think it depends on what he wants to do with the...

2010-08-23T14:24:04.137-06:00

I think it depends on what he wants to do with the list. If he wants it to be a contender for top chair in tournaments then it will probably need some tweaking.

If its for Saturday hang out over pizza, then the list is fine. The smaller number of actual marines would help with the challenge. Remember, both players need to have fun.

I agree the dreads don't fit in with the rest ...

2010-08-23T06:29:08.313-06:00

I agree the dreads don't fit in with the rest of the build. This type of list seems to be popular. I think if you were to replace the dreads with more Marines that would be a step in the right direction. I'd definitely keep the Baals, to me they are a must have choice for this style of list. Play some games and I think you'll find some ways to better tweak the list.

G

John, If you're gonna do mech then do mech, i...

2010-08-22T07:21:14.957-06:00

John,

If you're gonna do mech then do mech, if you're gonna do dreds then do dreds... don't mix the two.

20 guys aren't going to cut it. A smart player is going to focus on your low number of 'elite' troops and get rid of them.

With writing the above pargraph I think you are going to have 'oodles' of problems hiding your scoring units.

Well, I second Stelek here. I playtested a list li...

2010-08-22T01:56:08.104-06:00

Well, I second Stelek here. I playtested a list like this. I'd replace the Dreads by more troops. Some units to intercept enemy plans would be definitely useful.

lol islyfe

2010-08-21T23:19:34.601-06:00

lol islyfe

You really like balls huh? I'm not a fan.

2010-08-21T10:26:13.693-06:00

You really like balls huh? I'm not a fan.

So you hide the Razors behind Predator wall for a ...

2010-08-20T22:36:17.296-06:00

So you hide the Razors behind Predator wall for a 3+ cover save. I think you need more units, less Dreads. They just don't impress me.

Call it more cheaper units.

Not sure what tactics it takes to blow people off of objectives but firing at the Razorbacks in cover then running close to the Dreads to finish off the Marines strikes me as foolishness.

I think with a bit of tweaking it'll be better than you expect. Since I'm not allowed to write you a new list, I'll just ask which armies you want to playtest against next weekend? Face-stompy, or Stompy-face? They are both available upon request. =P

Scrabble werds. New value of posts based off that...

2010-08-20T22:20:07.726-06:00

Scrabble werds.

New value of posts based off that.

U is genius. :D

That said, it's more balanced than the Sanguinary Guard army and I am happy you aren't using Mephiston :3

I think the sponsons are wasted points, and that t...

2010-08-20T17:24:43.348-06:00

I think the sponsons are wasted points, and that this few bodies means that enemies who focus on killing 4 vehicles and their contents will just demolish you.

I haven't found lists like this to be competitive against opponents who look for how to guarantee not losing before going towards the win, which is pretty much the common outlook here. You'd have to table me to win any objective based mission, because I would most certainly kill those 20 boots every game.

Yeah, Trueblood had 9 AV13 - mine is slightly diff...

2010-08-20T17:23:50.599-06:00

Yeah, Trueblood had 9 AV13 - mine is slightly different, but he did convince me that it was viable. His has Vindicators, which I like - but felt there needed to be a "true" long-range threat. I really wanted to discuss some list choices with him... hence the Looking for Mr Goodbar post.

Massed AV13 is totally cool, Trueblood had I think...

2010-08-20T17:10:44.526-06:00

Massed AV13 is totally cool, Trueblood had I think 9 AV13 vehicles at Nova.

Problems may arise from lack of bodies and crowding out LoS for sponsons.

I've been using a similar 6 pred + razor build...

2010-08-20T14:54:50.934-06:00

I've been using a similar 6 pred + razor build and found hunter killers to be pretty useful. I've also always liked having the inferno pistol as well, as a single melta tends to miss a lot.

off the top of my head my list has gone somethig like

Libby

5/6x assault squads- melta, inferno
~razorback- h-k missile

3x baals w/ HB & H-K
3x Preds autolas & h-k